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Cb says
I think I need a lamp with usb chargers for the guest room – 1980s house doesn’t have enough power plugs, and I don’t care enough to call the electrician for this.
We have pop up usb and power chargers built into our kitchen counters and they are very useful for the hand mixer etc, although I’m slightly wary of how they are wired, after seeing the job the previous owners did on the bathroom vanity and the superglued down laminate in the kitchen.
Crying at Daycare OP says
I’m the poster from last week who had a 4 month old who was crying a lot at daycare and daycare didn’t seem to be handling it well. As some posters guessed, there ended up being a big communication issue – the teachers were downplaying the problem to us, and I don’t think the director realized that, so she was frustrated. The problem ended up being naps. The teachers started letting him nap in a swing so that he actually napped, and now he is much, much happier. I am still a little annoyed at the poor communication at first, but I’m glad my baby is no longer so upset. But this leads to two additional questions:
1. I don’t love swing napping. Technically it’s not a safe sleep space. But it seems like right now it’s either swing naps or quit my job. (I think even if we stretched our budget and switched to a nanny, she would end up needing to do swing naps?) Would you be ok with the swing naps in this situation?
2. Anyone have advice or resources on getting a 4 mo to nap in a crib? He sleeps really well at night – either through the night or one wake up to eat. Sometimes we can get him down awake, and sometimes I still nurse or rock to sleep – we’re working on that. But he doesn’t go down well for naps – right now most of his home naps are either in the carrier so I can actually leave the house (also have a 3 yo) or he falls asleep nursing and I let him sleep on me. (If I put him down asleep for naps, he wakes up soon after.) I don’t think CIO is the answer here, since daycare showed that he clearly will cry for a long time without eventually falling asleep on his own.
Anonymous says
Would you be more comfortable with a stroller nap with a stroller rocket to shake it and maybe baby copes with that?
Isabella says
FWIW, I made exactly the same compromise about swing-sleeping for exactly the same reasons when my now 5 month old started daycare at 12 weeks. Now he still mostly sleeps well at night, I still have to hold him for naps at home, and he’s napping pretty well in the crib at daycare because a little new kid needs the swing and mine is awake a lot more. I don’t know if it was the right to risk it, but it worked out for us.
Daycare does swaddle the babies up to about 1 year, and it seems to help a lot. Would you feel better about a swaddle than a swing?
Pogo says
If someone is watching him sleep, I would not worry. I think this is probably a short-lived problem – most kids finally get the hang of naps at 6-8mo, whereas at 4mos my kid did not nap in a crib either. While I know there are real dangers, having him cry and get kicked out of daycare isn’t a workable solution, either. Until the rock n play recall, I think many accredited centers were still using them (and other swings) for naps.
My SIL always talks about a friends’ daughter who (now this was 10 years ago of course) napped in her carseat on a running dryer at daycare bc that was the only way she’d sleep.
Anonymous says
Keep repeating this phrase: “sleep begets more sleep.” I’d be OK with a swing but I’d try to lead the charge at home to get him weekend napping in a situation more similar to the other daycare kids. But he has to be well-slept to start trying, you can’t start if he’s in a deficit.
Anonymous says
1. I’m a stickler for safe sleep but I would grudgingly be fine with swing naps in this situation (nap is better than no nap). I would reinforce that they need to have eyes on him at all times, which I know is impossible but I’d still ask.
2. I’d wait til he’s 6 months and ask them to start his nap in the swing then transfer him to the crib.
Sorry. I know from experience that this is not fun. It will get better!
Anon says
I would not be ok with him sleeping in a swing if that’s not something I do at home. I’m surprised they allow that since daycare regulations can be pretty strict. There is no way a teacher can keep an eye on him all the time.
I would prefer a bassinet attachment to a stroller so that at least he’s on a flat surface. Hopefully he will figure out sleep soon. My kiddo napped in seven minute increments until month 6 when something clicked. Good luck!
Anon says
It sounds like I’m the outlier here but I would *not* be okay with swing naps. I’d be really surprised if their licensing even allows them to do this honestly.
Anon says
Yup, this is a licensing violation in my state, and I’m really surprised they agreed to do this. I would also not assume a daycare teacher is watching a sleeping child closely. Staffing ratios are reduced at nap times (at least in my state) and I’m pretty sure they use that time as a bit of a break for themselves (understandably).
Is napping in a carrier a possibility? My kid was a crap napper and that’s where she napped best at that age. That would be one reason a nanny could potentially be better, because I assume a nanny would be more willing than a daycare teacher to do that. I hear you on the financial challenges though. We had a nanny for ~5 months and even that short duration really strained our budget. I understand it’s not doable for many/most families.
Anon says
i think if you want him to nap in crib at daycare, you have to teach him to do that at home – not fall asleep nursing, not sleep on you, etc. otherwise it is a bit unrealistic for him to magically learn to sleep in a crib at daycare. i personally was very focused on teaching my babies to fall asleep independently (but I had twins so if i wanted to survive that was a necessity), and so if you don’t want to do that, it is totally fine – i know they are only young once, but then it will probably be hard for him to do that at daycare. are swings still allowed at daycares after the most recent recalls?
Anonymous says
Yeah, I think you realistically need to work on this for weekend naps, even if it is gradual.
Anonymous says
Not. All. Babies. Nap.
anonM says
But OP’s earlier post, if I remember right, was that the baby was crying for long stretches, so it does seem that THIS baby does need a nap.
Anonymous says
I thought the baby was crying because he was being set down to nap when he didn’t want to?
Anonymous says
All babies should nap
Anon says
No. OP said he’s crying for hours and the school thinks it’s because he’s not able to nap. This is not a baby who doesn’t need naps (they exist but it’s rare).
HSAL says
This is an oddly hostile stance against the idea that this 4 month old needs a nap.
I’d be fine with a swing nap, but you might want to make sure it’s not a licensing violation in your state. In our infant class they didn’t reduce ratios for naptime because they all napped at different times.
Anonymous says
hashtag not all babies
OP says
OP here. By “the problem was naps” I meant that he is exhausted and needs to nap but can’t fall asleep, and that’s why he was scream-crying. (My older kid, now 3 yo, was a bad napper as a baby and didn’t nap much at daycare and was fine, but this baby clearly needs to nap.) We are absolutely going to work on trying to get him to nap independently at home, but given how bad it was at daycare, it may take a while. And I’m not even sure they best way to accomplish it, thus my question #2 in my post today. I have some ideas, but sleep is apparently my kryptonite – both of my kids have been bad sleepers, in different ways.
Anon says
On question 2, it sounds like your baby cannot yet fall asleep independently. If he could do that he would be more likely to be able to nap in a crib. That’s totally normal and you basically have to teach it – its a learned skill. Some babies learn faster than others, some really struggle until they are older. Let’s assume your kid will master it if you make a concerted effort. To teach falling asleep independently you first need to stop feeding to sleep and rocking to sleep at night.
If you’re ok with it I’d try something like Ferber where you put them down awake and check in at intervals. I’d do it for night time sleep first and then once it seems to be working, try naps on weekends. If you don’t want to do something like Ferber, I’d try rocking to almost asleep or asleep and then waking ever so slightly when you put them down at night. Gradually rock them less or wake them up more so they are less and less asleep when you put them down. Whatever you do, I’d pick one method and be consistent for 2 weeks. Hopefully at the end of 2 weeks you’ll see improvement. I’d expect a fairly rough couple of weeks though. Most babies figure it out for night sleep before naps. Once he has figured out falling asleep at night I’d ask daycare to do the first nap of the day in the crib. Other naps still in the swing. Then once that morning nap is going ok, move the afternoon nap to a crib.
Anonymous says
I would either talk to a professional sleep consultant for tips or work on naps at home AND look at your baby’s wake up/nap times. You’re probably missing the window and then the baby is overtired and refusing to nap. I would ask them to try to put the baby down 30-60 min earlier and then just work on it. I wouldn’t be comfortable w a swing nap except as the occasional exception to the rule and only closely supervised (but even then, babies can suffocate without you being able to tell while looking at them).
Anonymous says
I am laughing at the idea that you can “teach a baby to fall asleep independently.” My baby did not nap at all during the day, but she slept independently at night from an early age. I tried to train her to nap and it never worked. You can’t train your child out of how they are wired.
Anon says
I mean, sure, it may not work for some kids. But you can generally nap train the same way you can sleep train for night. The fact that something doesn’t work for a small number of kids doesn’t mean it isn’t worth trying.
Also I think the fact that the kid is crying all day indicates this isn’t simply about a lack of need for naps. My kid never napped much at that age either but she was content during the day without naps. The child’s behavior is indicating they need to nap so “not all babies nap” isn’t the most compelling counter argument.
Anonymous says
No, OP said the problem was naps. If the baby is screaming when he is put down for a nap, the problem is that he doesn’t need/want a nap, not that he needs to nap.
Anon says
That’s not what she said. She said he is crying all day and they think it’s because he’s not napping. Which is pretty normal – most 4 month olds need to nap.
Anon says
It’s pretty common for babies to scream when they are overtired.
Hmmm says
Honestly, I’d look for a new daycare asap. Sleeping for long periods of time in a swing isn’t safe and I don’t think you can assume the provider is watching the child the whole time they are sleeping. The fact that they are making this your problem is also a huge red flag to me — a good infant teacher should be able to deal with a baby who struggles to nap.
Anonymous says
I think the real problem is that day care is insisting on naps. An infant room should have a flexible schedule that accommodates individual needs. My baby was a non-napper, and day care just had to learn to deal with it. They would try putting her down when they thought she was sleepy and inevitably end up getting her up again 20 minutes later when it was clear she was not going to sleep. For me she’d only nap in motion, whether in the car or in the stroller, so it was unreasonable for day care to expect her to nap in a crib.
OP says
Daycare isn’t insisting on naps or a set schedule. The issue is that if he doesn’t nap, he scream-cries inconsolably for hours. We figured this out after they put him in the swing to try to console him and he fell asleep. My older kid (now 3 yo) was like your baby – she was a terrible napper and didn’t nap much at school, but it wasn’t an issue because she was fine without the naps.
Anon says
i like the idea of maybe a stroller nap instead of the swing.
Anon says
Have they tried rocking him to sleep/sleepy and then laying him down? Our daycare didn’t even have swings as they aren’t permitted in daycare facilities in our state. My understanding is they lead to staff ignoring kids and insufficient time on the floor. I’d expect them to work on rocking him if he needs motion to go to sleep.
OP says
I think they did try rocking, but he wouldn’t stay asleep in the crib once put down. We will try working on getting him to stay asleep at home.
Anon says
If he stops screaming and falls asleep when rocked, I’m not sure I understand their complaint that he wouldn’t stop screaming. That’s a pretty normal action–put a tired baby down for a nap by rocking them until they are calm and sleepy/asleep. I’d seriously be questioning the level of care at this daycare. Something doesn’t sound right.
OP says
Because he wasn’t getting enough sleep (waking up whenever they tried to put him down), he would get to a point each day where he was so tired and angry that even rocking wouldn’t do anything. We actually saw it at home for the first time this past weekend, when DH was taking care of him for several hours in a row while I was doing something else. (Before that we hadn’t seen it at home because besides daycare I hadn’t left him for more than an hour or so at at time.)
Anon says
Ugh, not sure if you are still reading, but I had this baby. He would just not nap at daycare. I heard from every single person I knew that he would “eventually adjust,” but really he never did. We ended up finding a nannyshare that was only slightly more expensive than our daycare. Our state has strict daycare licensing requirements – so no swaddles, no swings, no real sleep aids. They basically had to put him down on his back in a crib, and let him try to figure it out. The nanny in the nannyshare could do a lot more to rock him to sleep, swaddle him, and pat his back (or baby wear him at the very beginning), and he went from never napping to taking much longer naps at the nannyshare. He was like a different kid after we switched.
He ended up spending about 3.5 months in daycare before we could start the nannyshare, and I don’t think he ever napped longer than 30 minutes. 15 minutes was normal. The teachers were frustrated, I was frustrated, and there was nothing anyone could do. He was a miserable wreck for those 3 months. Maybe it would have eventually improved? But we couldn’t handle it. The teachers did the absolute best they could (and it was a lovely, wonderful center – my second baby would have done great there), but it just wasn’t a good fit for my first kiddo.
Anon says
Could you provide the daycare with a mamaroo bassinet? I’d personally be more comfortable with that than the swing.
Anon says
Mamaroos just got recalled.
Anon says
No, just certain models with a loose strap and I think of the swing. And they’re providing a strap fastener to make them safe. Check your model but you don’t need to throw them away.
Anonymous says
So glad that you have a solution. Swing should be tipped back in the layback position not in the upright position if napping – many people don’t realize there is a latch/handle on the back to adjust the position. It may only be for a couple months and then baby may be able to nap in crib.
I’d be comfortable with the swing nap if an awake adult in present in the room the whole time. My twins napped in swings for their whole first year, not ideal but I was awake in the room with them the whole time.
On safe sleep – like any parenting choice you take the public health advice and figure out what works for your family – you do the best you can. There are people on here who will say don’t nap in a swing but they may have had the crib in another room at home which I 100% would not have been comfortable with given the public health advice to have baby in the parents room for the first year. We always had baby’s crib in our room until they were 9 months old. (yes we never made it the full year, yes we slept the twins in the same crib which is in line with British but not American public health advice) Moved our dressers out to make the crib fit.
Anon says
I would be comfortable with a swing nap, but just as a warning, it may make it harder for you to get baby to fall asleep independently.
DS was at an in-home daycare for about a month where he napped in a swing, and his naps at home were terrible that month. Before that, we typically were able to get him to fall asleep independently for most naps, but he would typically have one nap a day that was difficult and would end up being in a stroller, etc. Once he started daycare at 4.5 months and was put in a crib for naps, he was able to nap much easier at home. So, I think this is a good short-term solution but maybe suggest to them they revisit the crib naps every 1-2 weeks.
An.On. says
Our naps got a lot better when the baby could roll over on their own and thus, sleep on their stomach. Once we hit that point, which I’m pretty sure was no later than five months, naps became much easier. Prior to that point, it was pretty much just all weekend naps on me, and no naps at daycare.
Anon says
There’s a huge range in when babies learn to roll.
I had a baby who learned to walk before she learned to roll over. She’d be cruising or walking and fall on her back and be unable to flip over like a turtle on its shell. I have no idea what the issue was as she’s now a normal 6 yo, but she learned to roll over at 10 months, a solid month after she started walking and 4 months after she sas crawling and sitting independently.
AwayEmily says
We “nap trained” our good-night-sleeper-bad-napper kids using the following protocol: put them down, let them cry for 20 min, then get them up and play/hang for 20 min. Then repeat. If it doesn’t take the second time, then do a carrier or car nap.
At first we ended up doing a carrier nap most times, then less often, and finally they figured it out. Took about a week for each, I’d say. I’m sure there are both less and more aggressive approaches but this one worked for us because it gave them a chance to do it on their own but also did not involve crying for hours and getting totally exhausted.
Anon says
When my first kid started daycare he’d scream and not nap. We put him in another daycare and suddenly he was a great napper. He just didn’t like the first daycare for some reason. In hindsight, I think their room was poorly set up. If they don’t have a great space I’d consider switching.
Anon says
We had a baby who would. Not. Sleep at daycare (but was a great home napper) and my husband and I played around with our work/daycare schedules until we ultimately determined what worked best for us. Meaning- baby could survive/thrive at daycare and we could keep our jobs. That wound up being me working from home Tu/Th, picking her up from daycare during lunch and having her nap at home from 1-3/4. Those 2 solid naps per week, early bed times and tons of weekend sleep really helped her tolerate the daycare days.
anonn says
at 4 months the Merlin’s Magic sleep suit saved us. I put an ask on FB and had multiple people offer to loan us theirs, including our daycare lol. At our daycare the teachers would be fired for allowing swing naps, thats a big licensing issue.
Anonymous says
I’m late here, but just a quick note: this also might be a temporary problem. My baby had a period of about one month, around 4 months old, where she literally refused to nap. She was so challenging for this month – screaming for hours and literally nothing would help her nap. We tried various techniques, including modified Ferber, and nothing worked. She started napping better at about 5 months, due to absolutely nothing that I did, and she was fine thereafter. Maybe it’ll just be a temporary issue for your baby, too!
To the OP thinking about a sabbatical next summer says
I didn’t get a chance to reply yesterday. I’m so excited for you – I would love to go on a sabbatical one day!
You mentioned you might have to work during that time. Just a warning that if you’re planning to work and will need to join calls or meetings from Australia, depending on where the rest of the team is located, the time zone difference is pretty brutal. I have experience working from home in Southeast Asia while my team is in North America & the UK, and the late night/early morning calls really wrecked my enjoyment of the trip. If you really need to work during that time, consider time zones! I would still pick Australia if I were you but maybe plan on taking some of the trip as PTO so you can actually have some fun!
Anonymous says
re Australia – also keep in mind that the time zones have the least amount of overlap in the US summer/Australian winter. 6 PM Central time US is 9 AM AEST the next day, for example. I work for an Australian company and it can be tough.
GCA says
Not OP, but good point on time zones. When my first was tiny, I was based in North America but freelanced for clients in the US and Asia, and more than once took a call or did an interview from the bathroom at 10pm while trying not to wake the baby and also attempting to disguise the fact that I was in a bathroom. If you have true flexibility over when you work, though – have at it!
Anne-on says
I just need to scream into the void for a minute. I now need to work for the first three days (including Sunday!) of our family beach vacation, somehow didn’t notice that the rental didn’t come with ANY linens (incuding even blankets for the beds). Every linen place is sold out and I’m working 11 hour days today/tomorrow and possibly taking calls in the car on the way down. Oh and my kid woke up with a particularly gross gastro bug so I’ve been darting into his bedroom in between calls to supply liquids/make sure he’s ok in between bathroom trips.
Fwiw I am NOT a lawyer/closing a deal (so I’m not being paid handsomly for this) it is just spectacularly bad timing on a high priority project and team members who would normally help are out on childcare leave. My boss is super apologetic and I’ll get the leave back but can’t reschedule the vacation (and other family will be there). I’m just sad and upset plus stressed about having to now spend time carting all this stupid linen down/and then deal with a full house worth of laundry when we get back. Yay vacation….
Pogo says
(hunger games salute)
We are a few days out from a much anticipated vacay and stacked back to back w/ meetings, two sick kids, one caregiver on vacation, my car in the shop… the list goes on. Thank goodness DH got them both in to be seen later today so we can hopefully get them on antibiotics before the trip.
I am sorry about the stupid linens. I hate places that do that! We started renting w/ a company on the Cape that provides linens because it was such a friggin hassle. But realizing at the last second is the absolute worst.
Anonymous says
Amazon? Costco?
Anne-on says
Our sitter is running to Target once she shows up to get some space bags for the blankets and some cheap-o Target sheets for a twin bed (we don’t even have twin beds!). We’ve done the ‘bring sheets and towels thing’ before (not my favorite) but the ‘bring all the blankets for the beds’ requirement nearly broke me.
Anonymous says
Just use double or queen sheets if you have those? Tuck the extra material under the mattress?
I second the suggestion below to send the laundry to a wash and fold place when you get back.
anonamama says
Ugh, this sounds TERRIBLE. Can you line up a wash & fold place to drop your dirty laundry off when you come back? Might work out to the same price you’d pay renting the damn things. Give a hard start/finish time to your work colleagues if you can. Hope things look up between now and then!
Anne-on says
Thank you – this literally didn’t even occur to me as an option (never used a wash and fold so it wasn’t on my mental radar). We have a laundromat right by the grocery store so this is now 100% what I’m planning on doing when we get home – dropping linens and then hitting the grocery store.
Anon says
So annoying. One thing to consider – do you need to bring pillows? That and pillowcases didn’t occur to me once
Pogo says
Best reusable makeup remover pads? I’m trying to make the switch from cotton balls w/ my toner and micellar water.
anon says
I bought some from Etsy. The store is HandcraftedGoodies. I’ve had them for a few years now. I keep used ones in a small laundry bag and wash them weekly.
Anon says
Old flannel shirt plus some scissors.
SF says
California commenters…I’m finally getting my act together with a trust, will, power of attorney, healthcare directive, guardianship, etc. I’ve been quoted $4k for the whole package from a recommended lawyer for my husband and me. It seems right but thought I’d check here before committing (in LA, two kids, soon to be home buyers which spurred this).
Anon says
Seems a little high to me. It was a few years ago now but we paid $2,100 in the Bay Area.
Anon says
We paid similar (to the $2K), also in the Bay Area, but 7 years ago so it’s possible inflation has jacked that up..
NYCer says
Not in CA, but used to practice there (and am a T&E lawyer). That is about standard for a small to mid-sized firm. You definitely could find a solo practitioner or very small firm who would do it for less. Biglaw would be substantially more.
Anonymous says
Also not in CA, but this doesn’t sound unreasonable for a HCOL area (for context, I’m in elder law).
anon says
People are telling you this is high, which it is compared to a few years ago, but I have been reliably told that these rates went up *a lot* during the pandemic. FWIW we’re paying $4800 in HCOL northeast for similar services, but with the added queer person tax because this stuff is harder when you’re not straight.
Colette says
Also gay, so needed extra attention, but just paid $4k for all of this from an attorney friend in a HCOL area. That’s at his F&F billing rate.
Anon says
VHCOL SoCal area here – We paid close to $5k for something similar roughly 3 years ago. Our package includes “unlimited” revisions at no additional cost, which has been worth it to as we had another baby, bought property, etc. and could update and amend our paperwork.
Anon says
Do either of you have legal insurance coverage as a benefit through work? We have it as a benefit through our employers and just paid a $500 deductible. We had to use an in network legal provider but it was fine as we needed something really standard. We answered a handful of questions by phone and went once in person to sign.
Anon says
I just paid $5k for just a will, power of attorney, and health care directive.
Mosquito Bite says
Anybody have genius bug bite remedies for me to try? My 2yrold swells up like crazy when she gets a mosquito bite. It starts with a small hive then swells for about 36 hours until getting better. Right now it’s her hand, last week it was her face. We’re trying to be diligent about bug spray when going outside but I’m not sure what else to do. Have tried an oral antihistamine to help with swelling but no real improvement.
Anon says
Two questions for my 3.5 year old:
First, she is up for her second dose of the Moderna vaccine in a week. After the first dose, she did have an elevated tempt that kept her out of daycare. Any one else experience the same and willing to weigh in on whether we can expect a similar elevated temp?
Second, she is still napping at home and daycare for 1-2 hours. Which is great except she is also not falling asleep at night until 9:30-10. The answer is to drop the nap, right? We put her to bed with a whole routine at 8:30, but she doesn’t actually fall asleep until those times and there is a lot of coming out of her room needing things in the hour or so inbetween. Everyone in her daycare classroom naps, so cutting it at daycare isn’t a likely possibility.
Anonymous says
Yes definitely cut the nap. If my 3yo naps, he doesn’t sleep until 8:30-9:00pm (we have to get up early so this does not work for us). No nap and he falls asleep at 7.
NYCer says
+1, except my 3.5 year old falls asleep at like 9:30 pm if she naps.
GCA says
My just turned 4yo was sick after her first Pfizer dose early last month – elevated temp and she threw up. She had no ill effects after her second shot, so it *could* well have been a coincidence. Hopefully yours will be fine after her second shot!
We ran into the same issue with both kids around age 3. Yes, drop the nap at home for sure (combine it with lots of outdoor time and activity). This may be harder at daycare, but perhaps you can send in a bag of quiet activities and convince them to at least wake her early.
Boston Legal Eagle says
My kiddo was completely fine after both doses of Moderna so not sure I can help there, but definitely drop that nap. We experienced this with our first – when he was still napping, he was often up until 9:30/10, coming out of his room and bothering us. Dropped his nap and he’s been falling asleep at 7/7:30 since (we did this at around age 4, he’s 6 now). Our second kid is mostly dropping his naps, but is ok with bedtime either way, so we’re a little less pressured to drop them completely for him.
Anonymous says
My almost-2-year-old didn’t have a fever after Moderna #1, but she was pretty clingy until bedtime, and then appeared to have nightmares and cold sweats from about 1-3 am (vax appt was at 4 pm). For dose #2, another 4 pm appt, she was ok before bedtime, slept well, but then the next afternoon at daycare she apparently just wanted to sit in her teacher’s lap and cry on and off for an hour. She was a little moody and clearly feeling “off” that evening at home, but again no fever. One of her BFFs did have a fever after dose #1 and had to stay home for a day, but his only symptom after dose #2 was similar moodiness. Anecdata, but a lot of the teachers have been saying that most kids at the center seemed “off” about 12-24 hours after each dose, but very few had any symptoms that required them to stay home.
Anonymous says
Just a rant. My son has a growth hormone deficiency and needs an MRI, under sedation because he is young. Based on how his stim test went, not sedating is not an option, though we considered it for health reasons. Last week the hospital quoted us $2500 for an MRI with contrast. They called me this morning to say oops we forgot he needs sedation (the orders literally say MRI w/contrast under sedation so not sure how they missed that) and it’s actually going to cost $3700. We can afford it, but I hate that the medical system is so messed up that everything is either free because you can’t afford it, or thousands of dollars because you can.
Anonymous says
OMG! So frustrating and so expensive!
Anonymous says
Push back. I don’t allow my kids to be sedated for any reason.
Anon says
This is incredibly unhelpful advice. You have to lay perfectly still for an MRI – how can a little kid do that? If he doesn’t lay perfectly still the MRI will have to be redone.
So Anon says
Not helpful and coming from an entitled place. I’m going to presume you have never been in the position where your child needed diagnosis/treatment that could only be provided under sedation.
So Anon says
It is so frustrating! And that is just for the diagnosis! My son has a chronic illness where the medication is $2800 every three months. Luckily, insurance kicks in after the first three months (high deductible health plan).
octagon says
Oooh, I’d be livid. It’s great that you can afford it, but that’s a big mistake! If you feel so inclined, you could try to reach out to the hospital’s patient liaison or patient advocate office and see if they would adjust the bill down to what you were originally quoted.
Anonymous says
They won’t don’t waste your time.
Anon says
The hospital is very unlikely to reduce it, I agree. At most they’ll give you a payment plan. But if you don’t pay the bill and it gets sent to collections, the collector will usually accept a significantly reduced amount to settle the debt. I have done that with bills I thought were egregious.
SC says
My son had an MRI under sedation earlier this year, also for growth hormone deficiency. Insurance covered it after we hit our $3500 deductible. The lab tests showed a growth hormone deficiency, and the MRI showed a small pituitary gland. Insurance won’t cover growth hormone because my son isn’t below the 3rd percentile in height. We lost the appeals. So now we’re just waiting for my son to not grow, until he falls below the 3rd percentile.
ANon says
uch i’m sorry. insurance companies suck
OP says
Oh SC that is so infuriating and unfair! I was all rosy glasses thinking after his MRI getting insurance to cover growth hormone would be a walk in the park.
SC says
I hope it is for you! My kid’s doctor seemed pretty surprised. Insurance coverage just varies so widely by state and company and plan. His plan covers growth hormone for 10+ enumerated reasons, including “proven growth hormone deficiency” as well as being below the 3rd percentile. You’d think a blood test and MRI, with physician interpretations that there’s a deficiency, would establish one, but apparently not.
More Sleep Would Be Nice says
We had our EI eval. DS #2 (almost 20 months) was slightly behind in speech and motor but not enough to warrant intervention (he’s already in private PT). He’s fine on social.
Where he was slightly below threshold and qualified for services (by 1%) was cognitive abilities – e.g. paying attention, following directions. They’ll send a child development specialist to our house 2x/month. I opted to go for it – I figured we can do at least a few sessions and the re-evaluate. I feel weirdly…relieved that it was so borderline, and of course the 80’s-90’s kid in me is thinking “is this really necessary?”/was he just rated low because it was “new” people?
Would love to hear if anyone did this type of intervention with kids and how it went.